Open series outline: Going for the jugular
- Intro post #1: Kickoff
- Intro post #2: Christ myth theory
- Intro post #3: Internet Infidels
- Habermas & Licona, Introduction, Post #1: Meet Gary
- Habermas & Licona, Introduction, Post #2: Meet Michael
- Habermas & Licona, Introduction, Post #3: They Saw Something
- Habermas & Licona, Part 1, Post #4: The Shockwave
- Habermas & Licona Part 1, Post #5: Saved From What?
- Habermas & Licona Part 1, Post #6: Jesus Claimed He Would Rise Again
- Habermas & Licona Part 1, Post #7: Why It's Going For The Jugular
- Habermas & Licona Part 1, Post #8: Washington Myth Theory
- Habermas & Licona Part 1, Post #9: History 101
- Habermas & Licona Part 2, Post #10: Our First Minimal Fact!
- Habermas & Licona Part 2, Post #11: Rumors Of The Bible's Obscurity Have Been Greatly Exaggerated
- Habermas & Licona Part 2, Post #12: If Your Mother Tells You She Loves You, Check It Out
- Habermas & Licona Part 2, Post #13: No, The Gospels Were Not Written Hundreds Of Years Later
- Habermas & Licona Part 2, Post #14: Clement Of Rome
- Habermas & Licona Part 2, Post #15: Polycarp
- Habermas & Licona Part 2, Post #16: The Seal of Blood
- Habermas & Licona Part 2, Post #17: The Seal of More Blood
- Habermas & Licona Part 2, Post #18: Meet The Scholars
- Habermas & Licona Part 2, Post #19: It was right under my nose
- Habermas & Licona Part 2, Post #20: Oh, so my brother really IS God
- Habermas & Licona Part 2, Post #21: My knees are shaking
- Habermas & Licona Part 2, Post #22: The Bible: It's not just for Christians anymore!
- Habermas & Licona Part 3, Post #23: Kicking the tires
- Habermas & Licona Part 4, Post #24: All together now?
- Habermas & Licona Part 4, Post #25: A red herring
- Habermas & Licona Part 4, Post #26: Moses the friendly ghost
- Habermas & Licona Part 4, Post #27: Consider the source
- Habermas & Licona Part 4, Post #28: Parthian shots
- Habermas & Licona Part 4, Post #29: We’re taking strange fire! Part 1
- Habermas & Licona Part 4, Post #30: We’re taking strange fire! Part 2
- Habermas & Licona Part 4, Post #31: We’re taking strange fire! Part 3
- Habermas & Licona Part 4, Post #32: Suspicious Minds
- Habermas & Licona Part 4, Post #33: Alien vs. Jesus
- Habermas & Licona Part 4, Post #34: A position statement disguised as an argument
- Into the woods...and the Way back home
- Yes, Jesus went there
- Ehrman, Post #1: Make this shot count
- Ehrman, Post #2: Everyone was dead
- Ehrman, Post #3: It's almost like monotheism is the logical choice
- Ehrman, Post #4: Admit you never saw a vulture rising from the flames or die
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(This is my 2nd post on Chapter 1)
In Chapter 1, the authors take on the claim that Jesus did not predict His resurrection. It’s indisputable that the gospels record such predictions (Mark 8:31, for example), so the question is whether those gospel records are authentic.
The authors point out that if the gospel writers were going to fabricate those predictions, it’s odd that they would fabricate them in such an embarrassing way. Here’s one example (they provide many, but I’ll just give one):
[Mar 16:14 KJV] 14 Afterward he appeared unto the eleven as they sat at meat, and upbraided them with their UNBELIEF and HARDNESS OF HEART, because they believed not them which had seen him after he was risen.
Why would the apostles (or later writers like Mark who were taught by the apostles) portray themselves (or their teachers) so negatively, if the whole thing is made up anyway?
I anticipate the response that they deliberately made themselves look bad in order to make the story more believable. The problem with this response is that I can just as easily counter-claim that if they were making up the story, they wouldn’t do it that way because then people would say…drum roll please….that the writers “deliberately made themselves look bad in order to make the story more believable”. Where does the second-guessing end?
So, are people offering evidence that truly undermines the idea that Jesus really made these resurrection claims? Or are they just hesitant to accept that He made those claims because then those claims help build the case for the resurrection itself?
No supernatural abilities are required to claim that you are going to rise again. And all 4 gospels record these claims (Habermas/Licona cite 10 different passages).
So wouldn’t it be most reasonable to believe that He claimed He would rise again?
God bless you!
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