Open series outline: Going for the jugular
- Intro post #1: Kickoff
- Intro post #2: Christ myth theory
- Intro post #3: Internet Infidels
- Habermas & Licona, Introduction, Post #1: Meet Gary
- Habermas & Licona, Introduction, Post #2: Meet Michael
- Habermas & Licona, Introduction, Post #3: They Saw Something
- Habermas & Licona, Part 1, Post #4: The Shockwave
- Habermas & Licona Part 1, Post #5: Saved From What?
- Habermas & Licona Part 1, Post #6: Jesus Claimed He Would Rise Again
- Habermas & Licona Part 1, Post #7: Why It's Going For The Jugular
- Habermas & Licona Part 1, Post #8: Washington Myth Theory
- Habermas & Licona Part 1, Post #9: History 101
- Habermas & Licona Part 2, Post #10: Our First Minimal Fact!
- Habermas & Licona Part 2, Post #11: Rumors Of The Bible's Obscurity Have Been Greatly Exaggerated
- Habermas & Licona Part 2, Post #12: If Your Mother Tells You She Loves You, Check It Out
- Habermas & Licona Part 2, Post #13: No, The Gospels Were Not Written Hundreds Of Years Later
- Habermas & Licona Part 2, Post #14: Clement Of Rome
- Habermas & Licona Part 2, Post #15: Polycarp
- Habermas & Licona Part 2, Post #16: The Seal of Blood
- Habermas & Licona Part 2, Post #17: The Seal of More Blood
- Habermas & Licona Part 2, Post #18: Meet The Scholars
- Habermas & Licona Part 2, Post #19: It was right under my nose
- Habermas & Licona Part 2, Post #20: Oh, so my brother really IS God
- Habermas & Licona Part 2, Post #21: My knees are shaking
- Habermas & Licona Part 2, Post #22: The Bible: It's not just for Christians anymore!
- Habermas & Licona Part 3, Post #23: Kicking the tires
- Habermas & Licona Part 4, Post #24: All together now?
- Habermas & Licona Part 4, Post #25: A red herring
- Habermas & Licona Part 4, Post #26: Moses the friendly ghost
- Habermas & Licona Part 4, Post #27: Consider the source
- Habermas & Licona Part 4, Post #28: Parthian shots
- Habermas & Licona Part 4, Post #29: We’re taking strange fire! Part 1
- Habermas & Licona Part 4, Post #30: We’re taking strange fire! Part 2
- Habermas & Licona Part 4, Post #31: We’re taking strange fire! Part 3
- Habermas & Licona Part 4, Post #32: Suspicious Minds
- Habermas & Licona Part 4, Post #33: Alien vs. Jesus
- Habermas & Licona Part 4, Post #34: A position statement disguised as an argument
- Into the woods...and the Way back home
- Yes, Jesus went there
- Ehrman, Post #1: Make this shot count
- Ehrman, Post #2: Everyone was dead
- Ehrman, Post #3: It's almost like monotheism is the logical choice
- Ehrman, Post #4: Admit you never saw a vulture rising from the flames or die
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Background
I’m currently blogging about the first chapter of Part 2 of The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus by Gary Habermas and Michael Licona.
This chapter is numbered as Chapter 3, is titled “A Quintet of Facts (4+1)”, and is subtitled The First Two.
As a refresher, “minimal facts” are facts that:
- Are agreed on by nearly all scholars
- Are strongly supported by the evidence
- Collectively build a strong case for the bodily resurrection of Jesus
You are here
We covered the first minimal fact (“Jesus died by crucifixion”) previously…see post #10 in hyperlinked series outline above.
There is a quite a bit of material regarding the 2nd minimal fact (“Jesus’s disciples believed that He rose and appeared to them“), and this is our third post about it. The authors break this fact into two sub-facts:
- They claimed it
- They believed it
We haven’t even made it to the 2nd sub-fact yet! The authors present so much interesting information about the Scriptures and the scholarly consensus thereon. God willing, I’m going to continue talking about the first sub-fact today: They claimed it.
Matthew
If I simply quoted Matthew 28:9, the first resurrection appearance of Jesus in that gospel, I might not convince a nonbeliever of the resurrection. But what about a more modest claim?
What if I simply pointed out that chapter 28 does document Mary Magdalene and “the other Mary” spreading news of the resurrection (verses 8-10, and 16)? And what if I mentioned that “Most scholars believe the gospel was composed between AD 80 and 90” (1), which means that many people who lived through the alleged events of the gospel would still have been alive when it was written?
Would you at least take that as decent evidence of the mere fact that Jesus’s inner circle claimed He rose again?
What if I added three more?
Mark
This gospel was apparently written even earlier: “Most scholars date Mark to c. 66–74 AD” (2). Mark 16:10 records Mary Magdalene telling the disciples about the resurrection.
Luke
Again, we see a mainstream, secular source (wikipedia) reporting that the greater weight of evidence points to a 1st century composition: “The most probable date for its composition is around AD 80–110”. (3)
Luke 24:9 again tells how the women spread the resurrection story to the unbelieving ears of the disciples.
John
“John reached its final form around AD 90–110,[7] although it contains signs of origins dating back to AD 70 and possibly even earlier.” (4)
[Jhn 20:18, 25 KJV] 18 Mary Magdalene came and told the disciples that she had seen the Lord, and [that] he had spoken these things unto her. … 25 The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord. But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and put my finger into the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.
[Jhn 21:24 KJV] 24 This is the disciple which testifieth of these things, and wrote these things: and we know that his testimony is true.
Putting the puzzle pieces together
Again, we are deferring the direct question of the resurrection until later in the discussion; for now, we are just asking whether or not the disciples claimed to have seen the resurrected Jesus. And I grant there are many possible explanations for why 4 gospels could appear in the late first century, reporting resurrection claims of the disciples.
But wouldn’t the most logical explanation of the disciples’ resurrection claims in the gospels be that…the disciples actually made those claims?
God bless, thanks for reading!
Links:
- Gospel of Matthew on wikipedia
- Gospel of Mark on wikipedia
- Gospel of Luke on wikipedia
- Gospel of John on wikipedia
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Have you heard of the John Rylands fragment?
Its a fragment of the Gospel of John that dates from 125 AD.
That is incredible, as it is only 30 years from the date of the original manuscripts.
You can see it in the British Museum.
I saw it in 2018, and it was amazing.
Lots of evidence for the early date of the gospels.
YBIC,
Richard
Thanks Richard, I hadn’t heard of that one! Now I want to visit England even more, hehe.