- Intro post #1: Kickoff
- Intro post #2: Christ myth theory
- Intro post #3: Internet Infidels
- Habermas & Licona, Introduction, Post #1: Meet Gary
- Habermas & Licona, Introduction, Post #2: Meet Michael
- Habermas & Licona, Introduction, Post #3: They Saw Something
- Habermas & Licona, Part 1, Post #4: The Shockwave
- Habermas & Licona Part 1, Post #5: Saved From What?
- Habermas & Licona Part 1, Post #6: Jesus Claimed He Would Rise Again
- Habermas & Licona Part 1, Post #7: Why It's Going For The Jugular
- Habermas & Licona Part 1, Post #8: Washington Myth Theory
- Habermas & Licona Part 1, Post #9: History 101
- Habermas & Licona Part 2, Post #10: Our First Minimal Fact!
- Habermas & Licona Part 2, Post #11: Rumors Of The Bible's Obscurity Have Been Greatly Exaggerated
- Habermas & Licona Part 2, Post #12: If Your Mother Tells You She Loves You, Check It Out
- Habermas & Licona Part 2, Post #13: No, The Gospels Were Not Written Hundreds Of Years Later
- Habermas & Licona Part 2, Post #14: Clement Of Rome
- Habermas & Licona Part 2, Post #15: Polycarp
- Habermas & Licona Part 2, Post #16: The Seal of Blood
- Habermas & Licona Part 2, Post #17: The Seal of More Blood
- Habermas & Licona Part 2, Post #18: Meet The Scholars
- Habermas & Licona Part 2, Post #19: It was right under my nose
- Habermas & Licona Part 2, Post #20: Oh, so my brother really IS God
- Habermas & Licona Part 2, Post #21: My knees are shaking
- Habermas & Licona Part 2, Post #22: The Bible: It's not just for Christians anymore!
- Habermas & Licona Part 3, Post #23: Kicking the tires
- Habermas & Licona Part 4, Post #24: All together now?
- Habermas & Licona Part 4, Post #25: A red herring
- Habermas & Licona Part 4, Post #26: Moses the friendly ghost
- Habermas & Licona Part 4, Post #27: Consider the source
- Habermas & Licona Part 4, Post #28: Parthian shots
- Habermas & Licona Part 4, Post #29: We’re taking strange fire! Part 1
- Habermas & Licona Part 4, Post #30: We’re taking strange fire! Part 2
- Habermas & Licona Part 4, Post #31: We’re taking strange fire! Part 3
- Habermas & Licona Part 4, Post #32: Suspicious Minds
- Habermas & Licona Part 4, Post #33: Alien vs. Jesus
- Habermas & Licona Part 4, Post #34: A position statement disguised as an argument
- Into the woods...and the Way back home
- Yes, Jesus went there
- Ehrman, Post #1: Make this shot count
- Ehrman, Post #2: Everyone was dead
- Ehrman, Post #3: It's almost like monotheism is the logical choice
- Ehrman, Post #4: Admit you never saw a vulture rising from the flames or die
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Dear Friends,
We are continuing our journey through Part 4 of The Case for the Resurrection of Jesus, by Gary Habermas and Mike Licona. Part 4 addresses additional objections to the Christian resurrection story.
Last time, I addressed three more naturalistic arguments against the Resurrection. I say “more” because we already looked at numerous naturalistic arguments in Part 3 of this book (1). But they dug up a few more, so, here we go (God help me)! Today, I hope to discuss the fourth objection addressed by the authors.
More naturalistic arguments against the Resurrection
“If atheism is true, then Jesus did not rise”“The Resurrection doesn’t prove God’s existence”“Jesus never died, so there was no resurrection”- “Reports of Jesus’ appearances differ little from the reports of the angel’s appearance to Joseph Smith”
- “Reports of the Resurrection are no more believable than today’s reports of Elvis and alien sightings”
- “Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence”
“Reports of Jesus’ appearances differ little from the reports of the angel’s appearance to Joseph Smith”
The idea here is that if I reject the reports of Moroni’s appearances, I should also reject reports of Jesus’s appearances. Supposedly, the weight of the evidence is similar between the two sets of accounts.
So, are they similar?
I’ll approach this question using the following basic outline:
- A primer for the uninitiated (Part 1)
- Challenges to the standard LDS narrative (Part 2)
- My own theory: demons + huckster = cult (Part 3)
Along the way, I’ll point out some important contrasts between the LDS narrative and the narrative of early Christianity.
You can probably guess what my answer to the similarity question is going to be, but let’s at least try to consider the evidence, shall we?
A primer for the uninitiated
Latter-Day Saints, as they call themselves, believe that the angel Moroni revealed the golden plates to Joseph Smith in 1823, and he laid hold on them on September 22, 1827. The Book of Mormon was supposedly translated by Smith from writings found on the plates. It was published in 1830.
Eleven men allowed their names to be attached to 2 written eyewitness testimonies regarding the plates. These two testimonies are included at the beginning of the Book of Mormon to this day.
The first eyewitness testimony, which was signed by 3 of the eleven, states that an angel displayed the plates. Keep these 3 guys in mind for later.
The Book of Mormon mostly contains accounts of ancient Jews (and their descendants) who escaped to America around the time of the Babylonian destruction of Jerusalem.
It’s the credibility, not the infallibility
There’s sort of a judo move where LDS apologists will say something like, “We never said Joseph Smith was infallible.”
In response to that, I emphasize that I’m not attacking his infallibility; we can all agree he was fallible, I get that. I bring the challenges that I do because I think they bear on his credibility. If he’s not a credible person (or if the source of his revelations is not credible), then neither are his “revelations”. The religion then collapses, from the perspective of a truth-seeker.
Rest assured that all of my challenges have already been answered by LDS apologists, and I won’t cover much of their material in this mini-series on the LDS church. You’ll have to look into this for yourself and decide whether said answers are satisfactory.
In the next post, we’ll look at 3 challenges to the standard LDS narrative. I hope you will join me!
God bless, and thanks for reading.
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